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M. de Hendon (926577)'s avatar

I am surprised by how many people cannot hold two thoughts in their head. One, that the Hamas massacres in Israel were monstrous and evil. Two, that the Palestinians are an oppressed and occupied people subject now to a far-right intransigent government led by a political scoundrel.

When a people are oppressed, colonized, and subject to another people to the extent that they have no hope, in almost all cases the worst elements rise. See Hamas terrorism, the IRA Provos, the Mau Mau in Kenya and numerous other nationalist leaders ... and innocents die on both sides while the oppressors and the terrorists from the oppressed become more extreme and violent.

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Eric, I, for one, appreciate the platform for respectful dialogue you attempt to create here. Though we lean the same general direction politically you sometimes have opinions I disagree with (I'm annoyed with you about slamming lower speed limits for example, and bashing scooter riders), but unless you were to go off on some deep end MAGA cray cray and start talking about how Jim Jordan is our savior I can't see myself ever demanding to be taken off your distribution list. I also hope on those occasions I do write a disagreement with you or someone on the comment board that I come across as respectful.

Thank you for pointing out the issue with Hamas and elections. Too many commentators point out that Gazans elected Hamas - for reasons that are varied and more complicated than "they hate Israel" and a major factor was the corruption that surrounds the Fatah party - but they have not been allowed to vote since 2006 (not 2007). Considering that half of the population of Gaza is under 18, probably around 75% of Gazans were either not born or not voting age the last time there was a vote in Gaza.

David S, despite the condescending tone and demand to drop off your list, made of valid points in the middle of a lot of things I disagreed with (and oversimplified too many things). For one, I'm horrified that there are some people on my side of the political spectrum would seem to glorify a despicable group of people like Hamas, who gladly kill LGBTQ+ people and oppress women. (Right wing Jews, who control Israel, are also terrible on rights for those groups as well so anyone slamming Muslims for those issues should also be willing to take Jews and Christians to task as well.)

(Side note to Joshua P, being picky I know, but Ariel Sharon was PM of Israel during Gaza pullout not Begin, who died in 1992)

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