i would absolutely love going to yr-rnd DST. we moved to western Mich 6 yrs ago, so are in an 'alternative world' to Chgolanders and & NW Indiana - ie, per the clock, your days start much earlier than ours, and ours end much later [sunset at ~9:30 on summer solstice] than yours. i love this in spring & summer.
altho some fellow Michiganders don't much care for sunrise after 8:00 am a month either side of the winter solstice.
regardless, net-net - incl'g no changing clocks semiann'ly, ever again [in my lifetime] - i'll take it in a heartbeat.
Your problem is that Michigan used to be in the Central Time Zone, which is its correct time zone, but for some reason, they switched to the Eastern Time Zone many, many years ago.
That's why you have such weird times for sunrise & sunset!
I'm in Michigan right now and the sunrises and sunsets feel just right to me :-) I traded work from home for work from cottage this week and it's great. I wake up with the sun, no alarm, and am still early to work (which is Chicago-based so on Central Time). I understand Michigan not wanting to be on Central time - it doesn't fit the eastern side of the state and they don't want split time zones. Though they DO have split zones as the 4 counties that border Wisconsin in the UP are on Cental time since they do most of their business with Wisconsin. The other 80 or so counties are Eastern
Relax, Bob. Everyone has their own opinion and their own reasons for liking or not liking the way things are. A number of years I ago, I had a totally weird personal schedule. I was driving a bus whose routes started at 5am on weekdays, 7am on Saturdays, and 8am on Sundays. In the spring, I was umpiring high school baseball. Back before they adjusted the time of year before the time changes took place, the early season games, which start at 4:30, were often called early on account of darkness. A lot of parents around here like the change in November because they don't want their kids out on a freezing bus stop before the sun comes up. Everyone has their own personal reasons.
I would be OK with either DST or Standard just staying permanent, it's the shifts that leave me exhausted and unable to get good sleep for at least a week each time. I don't have to rehash all the stats listing the adverse effects and also the Nazi-related history of the practice. But you sold me on picking DST as the option to keep permanent, it seems like the more balanced way to keep sunrise and sunset times reasonable during the year, so that was my vote.
Thank you for reposting the old column on Mary Morello! She sounds like a gem of a woman and a great mom. I wish more people of older generations had her attitude toward music and culture of the younger ones, instead of the tiresome complaints of "young people these days" and "there's no good new music being made anymore".
DST makes perfect sense for the times of year when we have more than 12 hours of daylight. Any daylight prior to 6 or 7 am is a waste, as far as I am concerned, and DST moves that into the evening hours.
For the weeks straddling the winter solstice, we get a little as 9 hours of daylight. On standard time we have daylight from 7:30am to 4:30pm. There isn't any daylight wasted. If we stay on DST then we have dark mornings.
What I don't understand is the asymmetry: we stay on DST into November, when the days are well shorter (barely 10 hours), whereas in March we don't go back onto DST until it's nearly the equinox.
We used to end it in late April. Then it became early April. Then we moved it back to early March, where we are now. They should have kept it in April, because with the time it’s done now, it jerks us back into darkness at 6AM, when we should have light.
Also, we used to start it in October, then it got moved to November.
It was moved a week later into November because the candy companies bribed Congress to do so, so that the kids would get an extra hour of daylight to trick or treat in on Halloween.
I'm indifferent to time changes since I retired; it doesn't affect me one way or the other. If I had to choose, I'd go with DST over standard time. I believe the savings in energy costs make it the obvious choice.
I am concerned about children walking to school in the dark, though a solution would be to advance the starting time of classes by an hour.
Great point. I imagine, though, that just starting school later would come with its own issues. School starts around 8:00 because work starts around 9:00. If everything gets pushed back, that means less time on the other end to enjoy the added daylight anyway.
The 9:00 starting time isn't ubiquitous, especially in lower income communities like mine, where shift change work is more common. The idea of school start times at a later hour has been floating around for the past few years, with many claiming students benefit from more sleep in the morning. In my high school (my former workplace), 1st period is the lowest in attendance, which reflects negatively in grading. Many students arrive well past the starting time on a regular basis. I know, the high school student is a different kind of animal, but I think a later start time could benefit in both ways.
In the US it was first instituted in 1918 for war-related conservation reasons and then promptly repealed in 1919. The Nazis were responsible for instituting it in occupied European countries. I'm not saying that's the reason we have it in the US now, just that they're involved in it's history.
Why not split the difference and set the clocks back half an hour this November and then leave them there? Give up some of the benefits of both DST and ST while mitigating some of the drawbacks of each as well.
(And yes, that is a less than serious suggestion - I would prefer to just leave the system as is...)
I used to work with people in India. They have one time zone for the whole country and it is on the half hour. Not sure what time sunrises and sunsets are for them.
Just because the Nazis did it doesn't make it in the least bit wrong or bad. Nazis are bad because of the *bad* things they did, not the many non-bad or neutral things they did. They also built highways. Are highways thereby suspect? Ridiculous.
That really has no bearing on the issue for me - in fact, the bill going through Congress has bipartisan support (a miracle in its own right), but that doesn't make it a good idea.
You are correct. Unfortunately it's a reflex action to the type of person he is and many of the things he says and does. He's not wrong 100% of the time. But one needs to listen closely.
Fine, that's fair. But an aftertaste does exist, like Werner von Braun's contributions to space exploration and VW's history of making German military equipment. I'm not saying it negates any of the benefits we're taking from them, just that there is an unsavory history involved.
I can kind of sort of squint and see that with respect to uniquely or specifically Nazi things, like say, the Volkswagen Beetle. Hitler, like Trump with his stupid plane, took a personal interest in the design of the regime's affordable people's car, working with Ferdinand Porsche to see it through. Even the car's name is redolent of Hitler's constant racist appeals on behalf the "Volk," his favorite word, by which he did not mean "people" generally but rather the German "Aryan" nation. The earliest Volkswagen emblem (the circle with the V and W inside) was adorned with a stylish curvy swastika.
But any disquiet about this past is pretty silly. To adapt that famous IKEA ad, many of you feel angry. You fell for Herbie the Love Bug, not Heinrich the Hitlermobile. "That is because you're crazy. It has no feelings."
Hitler was against many things that MAGAs oppose. Read Mein Kampf. He was against unions, communists, Jews, homosexuality and others. He saw bureaucracy closeup as a kid because his father was a bureaucrat. He really believed in strong central leadership and control and had little respect for the masses. It must ge remembered that he was elected, he didn't simply take over. I know MAGAs would hate me for saying this. But in many ways, Hitler would have been a perfect MAGA. Before some MAGA hits me with antisemitic garbage, don't waste my time. I grew up among Jewish haters. MAGAs don't love Jews. They hate Muslims. You know- the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
Wrong! The most balanced way to keep sunrise and sunset times reasonable throughout the year is to just leave things the way they are, and continue with the biannual change. Keeping DST permanent would mean total darkness at 8am in late fall and early winter. Unacceptable! Keeping standard time permanent would mean blazing sunshine at 4 in the morning in late spring and early summer. It also would mean losing the very cool 8:30 sunset time at that time of year. Again, unacceptable. I could almost go along with permanent standard time if drive-in movie theaters were still thriving and ubiquitous, but they’re not (and even if they were, I ultimately wouldn’t).
People should quit getting their dander up about things just because they’re told to do so. Think things through. Doing away with the time changes will suck.
I gotta go along with you here. I just returned from Alberta Canada and the hour time change twice in a week did not appear to affect my health. People travel through time zones all the time and appear to survive so I am calling bullshirts on the health effects of one hour time changes twice a year.
As mentioned, I went to high school in Norway. I walked to school in the dark and I walked home in the dark.( It was southern Norway so I did not experience the total blackout or Midnight Sun of the Arctic Circle.) Again no health effects that I remember. I vote keep it the way it is.
Why is vacation different? What if you travel for work or to take care of an aging parent? Still not buying the health effect. Even jet lag isn’t permanent, but then again, jet lag doesn't bother me much anymore. Not sure why.
Vacation is different because it's outside the daily rhythm of your body over an extended period of time - you're not waking up, going to work, eating, going to bed at regular times anyway and it being a short time doesn't take your body out of that rhythm. On the other hand, if it's a shift of the regular routine, it's tiring. You're waking up an hour earlier and unable to fall asleep earlier. your body expects food at a certain time and is not getting it, which messes up your blood sugar, leading to your brain not working optimally, keeping focus and attention, etc. Circadian rhythm is a real thing and shifts to it are stressful for the body, leading to increases in heart attacks and car accidents in the days following clock changes.
I question these repeated claims of spikes in fatalities around the time of the time changes. It seems awfully far-fetched to me, but even if it’s true, anyone who drops dead from a heart attack or a stroke just because they lost an hour of sleep one night in March would have to have pretty serious health problems to begin with, the sort that would have them right on the brink and ready to go anyway. Blaming their deaths on the time change seems a stretch.
I am a little confused why time shifts of several hours don't cause heart attacks or strokes because it's vacation? But if you fly to Europe for work it upsets your Circadian rhythm? I was hospitalized with afib and received a cardioversion on a Friday. Saturday I was on a flight to London. I guess my cardiologist thought it was ok because it was vacation. I'm retired so every day is vacation so...
An excellent point. We’re supposed to believe that people are dropping like flies just because they lost an hour of sleep on one single night, and yet your own cardiologist said that you, a heart patient, were good to go for an overseas trip with a six hour time swing the day after you were treated for a cardiac episode. Maybe your cardiologist is a bumbling incompetent who’s guilty of extreme malpractice, but I’m guessing that he/she knows what they’re doing.
I don’t know whence this idea sprang that the time change is such a horrible affront to our existence. Yes, it is a VERY minor disruption that we must endure exactly two nights per year (and really only one night; I think most of us like the turn back change in the fall when we gain an hour). But it’s a very simple thing that, in a minor way, makes life a little bit better, and a little more pleasant for everyone. Eric Zorn and John Houck have already reminded us that abandonment of the time change was a wildly popular idea back in 1974….until, that is, it was implemented, and everyone soon realized how much it sucked. If we abandon it again (and that appears to be a certainty), I think that we will see a groundswell of buyer’s remorse on par with the Trump voters who thought that he’d bring them cheaper gas.
Daylight savings time in a northern state such as Minnesota would be a complete disaster! Sunrise would be at 8:48am on December 21. Going to school in the dark would be unsafe for students.
And all the research I have read says that DST is bad for our health. Our bodies have evolved to synchronize with the sun. And Mother Nature is not amused when we dink around with things.
Seems to me that winter is cold and dark, whichever way you slice it, and it is not worth the disturbance caused by the clocks changing twice a year to alter degrees of darkness. Since we as a society seem incapable of dealing with the evident destructiveness of anthropogenic climate change (or even acknowledge its existence while the country is ravaged by fire and flood), why not make a tiny change that makes our lives slightly better?
I disagree. I am a Jew and a proud Zionist.. but Israel is committing ethnic cleansing against Palestinians and Israeli Arab citizens. Criticizing Israel for ethnic cleansing is legitimate. Kat Abugazaleh is passionate and may offend people with her words but she does not advocate murder of an individual Jew, much less all Jews.
The Trib’s editorial board’s condemnation of Kat shows how out of touch they are with politics today. People are dissatisfied with the Democratic Party of Chuck Schumer and want fresh voices like Abugahzaleh.
How is it that a theater critic heads the Trib’s editorial board? From day one, it never made sense to me
Agree 100% The Tribune editorial staff has been gutted by the vulture capitalist owner Alden, so anything that gets published under that byline should be taken with a whole bunch of salt.
Leave time as it is. The mild disruption twice a year is well worth having more morning sun in winter and more evening sun in summer. Hell, I would move it another hour for June and July. I'd love to play 18 holes of golf after dinner and sleep a little later as well.
Thank you! For all the whining that we always hear about changing the clocks, I was pleasantly surprised to look at the poll results today and see that our view is in the plurality, and just 8 points shy of a majority. Memo to the loud minority of people who are clamoring for this change: winter is always going to have less daylight than spring, summer or fall. “Locking the clock” is not going to change that. Just leave things the way they are.
It's instructive that they tried this in 1974 due to the oil crisis - support before the change was 79%, but dropped to 42% in short order when people realized sunrise at 9am in winter was awful.
Exactly! Everyone whines about what a horrible burden it is to change the clocks twice a year, but they obviously don’t bother to think and consider what not changing them would actually mean! Not too bright, folks. Not too bright.
For selfish reasons, I need them to continue standard time. The reason is my Alexa-enabled coffee maker won't reset to the correct time so I am waiting until November to display the time again.
On the Kat Abughazaleh vs. Chicago Tribune segment, I agree with your conclusion of "Kaboom." She made a strong case for not seeking the editorial endorsement.
But I'd give the real "Kaboom" to Chris Jones. His defense of calling her a bomb thrower was tone deaf. Why should voters pay attention to endorsements by people--particularly journalists who make a living using words--who are so sloppy with their language? (PS: I live in the 9th District. I considered voting for Kat but did not.)
Look, we teach a lot of things in school "just in case" they are needed. I dissected a frog in high school. Since then I have had zero need to know frog anatomy. I'm sure everyone reading this has their own favorite personal waste of educational time.
In honor of Sam Neill, we are having a film fest of his movies. We watched Jurassic Park last night where they used frog DNA to complete the dinosaur strand. So you never know when frog anatomy will come in handy.
The class I got the most out of was "Keyboarding" or typing as it is now called. I don't have to look at the keyboard when typing. I am not a fast typer, but I don't have to "hunt and peck" either.
I think the skill of diagramming sentences helps when one learns a foreign language. It helped me anyway. I think it also helps one become a better writer.
I was gonna come here to state that. The MLB All-Star Game and the NFL Pro Bowl Game probably had more currency back in the day, but they are pointless now.
I don't follow hockey or basketball, so I don't know if they have an equivalent. Just let the "millionaires playing a kids' sport" have the week off.
Back in the day you might never see the best players unless their team made the post-season. Now you can find 24/7 coverage of every sport, so the need to showcase those players is unnecessary. And the "all-star" games themselves are laughably bad since nobody is going to go all-out for a glorified exhibition game.
I was excited about it coming to Comiskey in 1983, but by the next time it came around at “the Cell” (twenty years later), I was officially in the “All Star Game is a big yawn” camp.
I didn’t go to that All Star game, but the most fun I ever had at old Comiskey was waiting in line for two nights for playoff tickets that year. Such a friendly crowd (the first night). Wary of line cutters the next. Had bon fires in the garbage cans.
Actually, I consider baseball's to be the best. At least it resembles real baseball. The others just go through the motions so no one gets hurt and I stopped watching them years ago.
Have to agree on All-Star games. The top stars don't always participate and even when they do, it's only half-heartedly, making the whole thing a pointless snooze fest. But one exception is the NHL's new version, 4 Nations Face-Off, it was like a mini world championship tournament, with actual stakes and great effort by the elite players and was a lot of fun to watch. The NHL skills competition is also fun. They skipped it in 2026 due to Olympics, but I'd watch it again this year.
When my kids were little and we had to manage naps and bedtime, switching the clocks was very disruptive. Now, I am fine with it. The idea of year round DST is appealing, but I trust what I have read and heard about sleep experts asserting that it would be too high of a cost in the winter.
Would make a difference if we all just agreed to start and end daily activities earlier in the summer than the winter and stay on standard time? Schools, which are mostly in standard time, could shift their times.
Agree - everyone is excited about not changing clocks. The amount of daylight stays the same (about 9 hours, 8 minutes on the solstice); only the clock time changes. The items listed by Save Standard Time I would hazard have no facts behind their claims.
Nobody wants anything from their high school year books to be shared out. This harkens (old timey word) back to when people were shamed for black face photos. Wrong yes. A lot happens in 30 year gaps. People change - for good or bad. Yo u mature. You learn what is acceptable and not. It's muckraking at best. Probably why you don't want to be - or elect - a governor at 18-19 yr
Brandon 14%? Seems high to me.
"That Eric, sweet old guy."
I don't note it - but I have my weekly Rascal podcast time set aside each week.
1. Federalist : (People on the left) are not walking around worrying if somebody who’s hopped up
on hormones and trans surgery is going to try and kill them
2. Hegseth: Service members 30 and older will undergo the annual screening and that people can choose whether to pursue testosterone replacement therapy.
MLB: It's the floor vs the cap. When there are single players making more or as much as an entire team - fan want owners to invest in the product - not roll out the minimum number of players to get through a game. It's going to be a long drawn out lock out. Hopefully it won't cost Chicago the All Star game next July.
No, not everyone is excited about not changing the clocks. Look at the poll results: 42% of readers want to keep things the way they are, more than double the support for the next most popular option.
I'm curious, how many people pay attention to clocks anymore, or are required to change them? Everything connected to the various networks that control our devices have auto-change already. We hardly notice the change now, except for the brief change in outdoor lighting. I predict that within a couple of years, probably less, most will forget when this change was needed or expected.
I assume that the people who complain about the time changing are not complaining about having to physically change the clocks (at least I hope not; if they are, jeeze, talk about first world problems), but that they consider it a nuisance to have to adjust to a one hour time shift two nights in a year.
DST is my reminder to change the batteries in our smoke/CO2 detectors. I mean, I could schedule a recurring calendar reminder. But I’m also super-lazy.
No to permanent DST. I predict we will all HATE dark mornings in the winter, and having experienced standard time in the winter of 1974 (energy crisis), walking to the bus stop in the dark was very, very creepy. And I was a senior in high school! I bet parents wold be driving kids to bus stops and sitting in their idling cars waiting for the bus (safety reasons), which would counter any energy savings.
This is precisely why we must keep the status quo of the biannual clock change. The people who whine about this are obviously not thinking things through. “Keeping things just as they are” is, by far, the most popular option for P.S. readers, and they are smarter than most people.
In today’s world almost all parents who would drive if there is a shift to permanent DST ALREADY drive kids to school. Or wait with them at the bus stop. Those who don’t are unlikely to change based on permanent DST. I know many do t keep up woth social chsmges but this is a definite one since 1974. Indeed at my kids suburban school about 80 percent are already being driven.
It’s ironic (to me at least) that in a PS that talks about Trump being glad someone is dead features a tweet about God saying essentially the same thing. Trump should just keep such opinions to himself.
i would absolutely love going to yr-rnd DST. we moved to western Mich 6 yrs ago, so are in an 'alternative world' to Chgolanders and & NW Indiana - ie, per the clock, your days start much earlier than ours, and ours end much later [sunset at ~9:30 on summer solstice] than yours. i love this in spring & summer.
altho some fellow Michiganders don't much care for sunrise after 8:00 am a month either side of the winter solstice.
regardless, net-net - incl'g no changing clocks semiann'ly, ever again [in my lifetime] - i'll take it in a heartbeat.
Your problem is that Michigan used to be in the Central Time Zone, which is its correct time zone, but for some reason, they switched to the Eastern Time Zone many, many years ago.
That's why you have such weird times for sunrise & sunset!
I'm in Michigan right now and the sunrises and sunsets feel just right to me :-) I traded work from home for work from cottage this week and it's great. I wake up with the sun, no alarm, and am still early to work (which is Chicago-based so on Central Time). I understand Michigan not wanting to be on Central time - it doesn't fit the eastern side of the state and they don't want split time zones. Though they DO have split zones as the 4 counties that border Wisconsin in the UP are on Cental time since they do most of their business with Wisconsin. The other 80 or so counties are Eastern
have you taken complete leave of your senses?
don't bother answering that question, as i know the answer.
you, The Grand Arbiter of Time Zones, have determined that Central time is the 'correct' time zone for Mich?
and that sunrise & sunset are at 'weird times' in Mich? and that i have a problem, which you're qualified to diagnose, b/c Mich is not in CT?
sunrises & sunsets in my part of Mich are just fine with me, any time of year.
other than Mich once being in CT, did you dream up all of the rest of your reply? or maybe you're just just trying to be sarcastic and/or funny.
which is it? inquiring minds want to know.
Relax, Bob. Everyone has their own opinion and their own reasons for liking or not liking the way things are. A number of years I ago, I had a totally weird personal schedule. I was driving a bus whose routes started at 5am on weekdays, 7am on Saturdays, and 8am on Sundays. In the spring, I was umpiring high school baseball. Back before they adjusted the time of year before the time changes took place, the early season games, which start at 4:30, were often called early on account of darkness. A lot of parents around here like the change in November because they don't want their kids out on a freezing bus stop before the sun comes up. Everyone has their own personal reasons.
while i appreciate your attempt to intermediate, i wonder why your suggestion to relax was directed to me, and not at GSC.
Waste of time. He's set in his beliefs.
thank you for seeing me as corrigible [i assume that's the antonym to incorrigible].
tho some in my circle of relatives & friends might disagree 😉
What are you blathering about?????
I only stated that Michigan was originally in the Central Time Zone, because it should be there due to geography!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GHLelReSWdY&pp=ygUuVGhlIGJpZyBsZWJvd3NraSB3aGF0IGFyZSB5b3UgYmxhdGhlcmluZyBhYm91dA%3D%3D&ra=m
enlightening - chastening - on point
When Garry said, “What are you blathering about,” my The Big Lebowski alarm went off.
I would be OK with either DST or Standard just staying permanent, it's the shifts that leave me exhausted and unable to get good sleep for at least a week each time. I don't have to rehash all the stats listing the adverse effects and also the Nazi-related history of the practice. But you sold me on picking DST as the option to keep permanent, it seems like the more balanced way to keep sunrise and sunset times reasonable during the year, so that was my vote.
Thank you for reposting the old column on Mary Morello! She sounds like a gem of a woman and a great mom. I wish more people of older generations had her attitude toward music and culture of the younger ones, instead of the tiresome complaints of "young people these days" and "there's no good new music being made anymore".
THIS ^^^ Just pick and time and stick with it!
How about, Standard Time from November to March (or better, April, like it used to be), DST from April to November.
DST makes perfect sense for the times of year when we have more than 12 hours of daylight. Any daylight prior to 6 or 7 am is a waste, as far as I am concerned, and DST moves that into the evening hours.
For the weeks straddling the winter solstice, we get a little as 9 hours of daylight. On standard time we have daylight from 7:30am to 4:30pm. There isn't any daylight wasted. If we stay on DST then we have dark mornings.
What I don't understand is the asymmetry: we stay on DST into November, when the days are well shorter (barely 10 hours), whereas in March we don't go back onto DST until it's nearly the equinox.
I, too, have always wondered about the lopsided start and end of standard time. Merely 6 weeks before the winter solstice, and 10 weeks (or so) after?
We used to end it in late April. Then it became early April. Then we moved it back to early March, where we are now. They should have kept it in April, because with the time it’s done now, it jerks us back into darkness at 6AM, when we should have light.
Also, we used to start it in October, then it got moved to November.
It was moved a week later into November because the candy companies bribed Congress to do so, so that the kids would get an extra hour of daylight to trick or treat in on Halloween.
I'm indifferent to time changes since I retired; it doesn't affect me one way or the other. If I had to choose, I'd go with DST over standard time. I believe the savings in energy costs make it the obvious choice.
I am concerned about children walking to school in the dark, though a solution would be to advance the starting time of classes by an hour.
Great point. I imagine, though, that just starting school later would come with its own issues. School starts around 8:00 because work starts around 9:00. If everything gets pushed back, that means less time on the other end to enjoy the added daylight anyway.
The 9:00 starting time isn't ubiquitous, especially in lower income communities like mine, where shift change work is more common. The idea of school start times at a later hour has been floating around for the past few years, with many claiming students benefit from more sleep in the morning. In my high school (my former workplace), 1st period is the lowest in attendance, which reflects negatively in grading. Many students arrive well past the starting time on a regular basis. I know, the high school student is a different kind of animal, but I think a later start time could benefit in both ways.
We had DST during WWI, long before the Nazis existed!
In the US it was first instituted in 1918 for war-related conservation reasons and then promptly repealed in 1919. The Nazis were responsible for instituting it in occupied European countries. I'm not saying that's the reason we have it in the US now, just that they're involved in it's history.
So what??!
Nothing, just making conversation :)
Why not split the difference and set the clocks back half an hour this November and then leave them there? Give up some of the benefits of both DST and ST while mitigating some of the drawbacks of each as well.
(And yes, that is a less than serious suggestion - I would prefer to just leave the system as is...)
I used to work with people in India. They have one time zone for the whole country and it is on the half hour. Not sure what time sunrises and sunsets are for them.
Just because the Nazis did it doesn't make it in the least bit wrong or bad. Nazis are bad because of the *bad* things they did, not the many non-bad or neutral things they did. They also built highways. Are highways thereby suspect? Ridiculous.
And I wonder how many people are opposed because it is this president and this Congress that are doing this?
That really has no bearing on the issue for me - in fact, the bill going through Congress has bipartisan support (a miracle in its own right), but that doesn't make it a good idea.
I read that many states already had daylight savings bills. I wonder if all of those are on board with the federal bill.
You are correct. Unfortunately it's a reflex action to the type of person he is and many of the things he says and does. He's not wrong 100% of the time. But one needs to listen closely.
Fine, that's fair. But an aftertaste does exist, like Werner von Braun's contributions to space exploration and VW's history of making German military equipment. I'm not saying it negates any of the benefits we're taking from them, just that there is an unsavory history involved.
I can kind of sort of squint and see that with respect to uniquely or specifically Nazi things, like say, the Volkswagen Beetle. Hitler, like Trump with his stupid plane, took a personal interest in the design of the regime's affordable people's car, working with Ferdinand Porsche to see it through. Even the car's name is redolent of Hitler's constant racist appeals on behalf the "Volk," his favorite word, by which he did not mean "people" generally but rather the German "Aryan" nation. The earliest Volkswagen emblem (the circle with the V and W inside) was adorned with a stylish curvy swastika.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:VW_logo_1937_to_1939.svg
But any disquiet about this past is pretty silly. To adapt that famous IKEA ad, many of you feel angry. You fell for Herbie the Love Bug, not Heinrich the Hitlermobile. "That is because you're crazy. It has no feelings."
https://youtu.be/dBqhIVyfsRg?si=UtVq0inRK0S8gVAY
In any case, DST, like highways, is not a specifically Nazi thing, so it doesn't rate even Beetle-levels of sour "aftertaste."
I had never seen that early VW logo. You learn something new every day!
I guess you don't know that Ivar Kamprad who founded IKEA was an ardent Nazi during WWII!
Ha, I didn't know that. Next thing you'll be telling me that the Allen wrench was originally called the Aryan wrench.
No, an American named Allen invented it in 1909 & released it in 1910!
Hitler was against many things that MAGAs oppose. Read Mein Kampf. He was against unions, communists, Jews, homosexuality and others. He saw bureaucracy closeup as a kid because his father was a bureaucrat. He really believed in strong central leadership and control and had little respect for the masses. It must ge remembered that he was elected, he didn't simply take over. I know MAGAs would hate me for saying this. But in many ways, Hitler would have been a perfect MAGA. Before some MAGA hits me with antisemitic garbage, don't waste my time. I grew up among Jewish haters. MAGAs don't love Jews. They hate Muslims. You know- the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
Wrong! The most balanced way to keep sunrise and sunset times reasonable throughout the year is to just leave things the way they are, and continue with the biannual change. Keeping DST permanent would mean total darkness at 8am in late fall and early winter. Unacceptable! Keeping standard time permanent would mean blazing sunshine at 4 in the morning in late spring and early summer. It also would mean losing the very cool 8:30 sunset time at that time of year. Again, unacceptable. I could almost go along with permanent standard time if drive-in movie theaters were still thriving and ubiquitous, but they’re not (and even if they were, I ultimately wouldn’t).
People should quit getting their dander up about things just because they’re told to do so. Think things through. Doing away with the time changes will suck.
I gotta go along with you here. I just returned from Alberta Canada and the hour time change twice in a week did not appear to affect my health. People travel through time zones all the time and appear to survive so I am calling bullshirts on the health effects of one hour time changes twice a year.
As mentioned, I went to high school in Norway. I walked to school in the dark and I walked home in the dark.( It was southern Norway so I did not experience the total blackout or Midnight Sun of the Arctic Circle.) Again no health effects that I remember. I vote keep it the way it is.
Vacation is different. And obviously some people adjust easier than others. But there are plenty of studies of data showing a connection. Here's just one from a quick search just as an example. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/health-examined/202603/how-daylight-saving-time-affects-well-being-and-health
Why is vacation different? What if you travel for work or to take care of an aging parent? Still not buying the health effect. Even jet lag isn’t permanent, but then again, jet lag doesn't bother me much anymore. Not sure why.
Vacation is different because it's outside the daily rhythm of your body over an extended period of time - you're not waking up, going to work, eating, going to bed at regular times anyway and it being a short time doesn't take your body out of that rhythm. On the other hand, if it's a shift of the regular routine, it's tiring. You're waking up an hour earlier and unable to fall asleep earlier. your body expects food at a certain time and is not getting it, which messes up your blood sugar, leading to your brain not working optimally, keeping focus and attention, etc. Circadian rhythm is a real thing and shifts to it are stressful for the body, leading to increases in heart attacks and car accidents in the days following clock changes.
I question these repeated claims of spikes in fatalities around the time of the time changes. It seems awfully far-fetched to me, but even if it’s true, anyone who drops dead from a heart attack or a stroke just because they lost an hour of sleep one night in March would have to have pretty serious health problems to begin with, the sort that would have them right on the brink and ready to go anyway. Blaming their deaths on the time change seems a stretch.
I am a little confused why time shifts of several hours don't cause heart attacks or strokes because it's vacation? But if you fly to Europe for work it upsets your Circadian rhythm? I was hospitalized with afib and received a cardioversion on a Friday. Saturday I was on a flight to London. I guess my cardiologist thought it was ok because it was vacation. I'm retired so every day is vacation so...
An excellent point. We’re supposed to believe that people are dropping like flies just because they lost an hour of sleep on one single night, and yet your own cardiologist said that you, a heart patient, were good to go for an overseas trip with a six hour time swing the day after you were treated for a cardiac episode. Maybe your cardiologist is a bumbling incompetent who’s guilty of extreme malpractice, but I’m guessing that he/she knows what they’re doing.
I don’t know whence this idea sprang that the time change is such a horrible affront to our existence. Yes, it is a VERY minor disruption that we must endure exactly two nights per year (and really only one night; I think most of us like the turn back change in the fall when we gain an hour). But it’s a very simple thing that, in a minor way, makes life a little bit better, and a little more pleasant for everyone. Eric Zorn and John Houck have already reminded us that abandonment of the time change was a wildly popular idea back in 1974….until, that is, it was implemented, and everyone soon realized how much it sucked. If we abandon it again (and that appears to be a certainty), I think that we will see a groundswell of buyer’s remorse on par with the Trump voters who thought that he’d bring them cheaper gas.
Daylight savings time in a northern state such as Minnesota would be a complete disaster! Sunrise would be at 8:48am on December 21. Going to school in the dark would be unsafe for students.
And all the research I have read says that DST is bad for our health. Our bodies have evolved to synchronize with the sun. And Mother Nature is not amused when we dink around with things.
Seems to me that winter is cold and dark, whichever way you slice it, and it is not worth the disturbance caused by the clocks changing twice a year to alter degrees of darkness. Since we as a society seem incapable of dealing with the evident destructiveness of anthropogenic climate change (or even acknowledge its existence while the country is ravaged by fire and flood), why not make a tiny change that makes our lives slightly better?
The Tribune was too wimpy in describing Abugazaleh.
The correct description of is far more simple, she just hates Jews, all Jews & wants all Jews dead!
I disagree. I am a Jew and a proud Zionist.. but Israel is committing ethnic cleansing against Palestinians and Israeli Arab citizens. Criticizing Israel for ethnic cleansing is legitimate. Kat Abugazaleh is passionate and may offend people with her words but she does not advocate murder of an individual Jew, much less all Jews.
The Trib’s editorial board’s condemnation of Kat shows how out of touch they are with politics today. People are dissatisfied with the Democratic Party of Chuck Schumer and want fresh voices like Abugahzaleh.
How is it that a theater critic heads the Trib’s editorial board? From day one, it never made sense to me
Agree 100% The Tribune editorial staff has been gutted by the vulture capitalist owner Alden, so anything that gets published under that byline should be taken with a whole bunch of salt.
Describing as Bomb throwing is wrong. Try talking about her that way next time you are on a plane.
Garry -
Sorry, you're simply wrong here.
Leave time as it is. The mild disruption twice a year is well worth having more morning sun in winter and more evening sun in summer. Hell, I would move it another hour for June and July. I'd love to play 18 holes of golf after dinner and sleep a little later as well.
Thank you! For all the whining that we always hear about changing the clocks, I was pleasantly surprised to look at the poll results today and see that our view is in the plurality, and just 8 points shy of a majority. Memo to the loud minority of people who are clamoring for this change: winter is always going to have less daylight than spring, summer or fall. “Locking the clock” is not going to change that. Just leave things the way they are.
It's instructive that they tried this in 1974 due to the oil crisis - support before the change was 79%, but dropped to 42% in short order when people realized sunrise at 9am in winter was awful.
Exactly! Everyone whines about what a horrible burden it is to change the clocks twice a year, but they obviously don’t bother to think and consider what not changing them would actually mean! Not too bright, folks. Not too bright.
For selfish reasons, I need them to continue standard time. The reason is my Alexa-enabled coffee maker won't reset to the correct time so I am waiting until November to display the time again.
I never bothered to change the clocks in my car and wrist pedometer so live in multiple time zones daily.
We’ll need to get software updates on all our appliances.
On the Kat Abughazaleh vs. Chicago Tribune segment, I agree with your conclusion of "Kaboom." She made a strong case for not seeking the editorial endorsement.
But I'd give the real "Kaboom" to Chris Jones. His defense of calling her a bomb thrower was tone deaf. Why should voters pay attention to endorsements by people--particularly journalists who make a living using words--who are so sloppy with their language? (PS: I live in the 9th District. I considered voting for Kat but did not.)
"Pulitzer winner Dave Barry on a new Florida law requiring that kids learn cursive."
Related: Another day goes by, and I still haven't had to diagram a sentence.
I went to Catholic grade school and can diagram a sentence in 30 seconds. I must use it or I'll go to hell.
No one needs to know how to diagram a sentence. Easily the most useless thing we ever had in school & we had a lot of useless crap!
Look, we teach a lot of things in school "just in case" they are needed. I dissected a frog in high school. Since then I have had zero need to know frog anatomy. I'm sure everyone reading this has their own favorite personal waste of educational time.
Dissecting a frog has an actual benefit, it teaches you about anatomy, something we all have.
Diagramming a sentence is utterly useless, no one will ever use it again in their life, unless they become an English teacher in a public school!
So it is a truly useless thing to waste teaching time on!
Since when does frog anatomy look like ours?
In honor of Sam Neill, we are having a film fest of his movies. We watched Jurassic Park last night where they used frog DNA to complete the dinosaur strand. So you never know when frog anatomy will come in handy.
Thank you! My chuckle for the day! I'll remember that in case I ever decide to breed dinosaurs.
They have bones, legs, hearts, lungs, muscles, just like us. So what if they're different!
The class I got the most out of was "Keyboarding" or typing as it is now called. I don't have to look at the keyboard when typing. I am not a fast typer, but I don't have to "hunt and peck" either.
I think the skill of diagramming sentences helps when one learns a foreign language. It helped me anyway. I think it also helps one become a better writer.
"No more sports All-Star Games. "
I was gonna come here to state that. The MLB All-Star Game and the NFL Pro Bowl Game probably had more currency back in the day, but they are pointless now.
I don't follow hockey or basketball, so I don't know if they have an equivalent. Just let the "millionaires playing a kids' sport" have the week off.
Back in the day you might never see the best players unless their team made the post-season. Now you can find 24/7 coverage of every sport, so the need to showcase those players is unnecessary. And the "all-star" games themselves are laughably bad since nobody is going to go all-out for a glorified exhibition game.
I didn't even know the result of the All Star game until this morning. That's how little I cared about it.
I actually know more about the borefest called soccer than the All Star game right now & I have zero interest in soccer!
Don’t crap on the All Star game yet. It’s coming to Wrigley next year.
I was excited about it coming to Comiskey in 1983, but by the next time it came around at “the Cell” (twenty years later), I was officially in the “All Star Game is a big yawn” camp.
I still have the pink hat from the last time. I think I went to one at Comiskey, too; in the 70s maybe?
I should have read the other comment. It must have been '83.
I didn’t go to that All Star game, but the most fun I ever had at old Comiskey was waiting in line for two nights for playoff tickets that year. Such a friendly crowd (the first night). Wary of line cutters the next. Had bon fires in the garbage cans.
Actually, I consider baseball's to be the best. At least it resembles real baseball. The others just go through the motions so no one gets hurt and I stopped watching them years ago.
Have to agree on All-Star games. The top stars don't always participate and even when they do, it's only half-heartedly, making the whole thing a pointless snooze fest. But one exception is the NHL's new version, 4 Nations Face-Off, it was like a mini world championship tournament, with actual stakes and great effort by the elite players and was a lot of fun to watch. The NHL skills competition is also fun. They skipped it in 2026 due to Olympics, but I'd watch it again this year.
I appreciate the NFL's change to flag football for the Pro Bowl, but still not enough to actually watch it...
When my kids were little and we had to manage naps and bedtime, switching the clocks was very disruptive. Now, I am fine with it. The idea of year round DST is appealing, but I trust what I have read and heard about sleep experts asserting that it would be too high of a cost in the winter.
Would make a difference if we all just agreed to start and end daily activities earlier in the summer than the winter and stay on standard time? Schools, which are mostly in standard time, could shift their times.
Great set of quips this week
Agree - everyone is excited about not changing clocks. The amount of daylight stays the same (about 9 hours, 8 minutes on the solstice); only the clock time changes. The items listed by Save Standard Time I would hazard have no facts behind their claims.
Nobody wants anything from their high school year books to be shared out. This harkens (old timey word) back to when people were shamed for black face photos. Wrong yes. A lot happens in 30 year gaps. People change - for good or bad. Yo u mature. You learn what is acceptable and not. It's muckraking at best. Probably why you don't want to be - or elect - a governor at 18-19 yr
Brandon 14%? Seems high to me.
"That Eric, sweet old guy."
I don't note it - but I have my weekly Rascal podcast time set aside each week.
1. Federalist : (People on the left) are not walking around worrying if somebody who’s hopped up
on hormones and trans surgery is going to try and kill them
2. Hegseth: Service members 30 and older will undergo the annual screening and that people can choose whether to pursue testosterone replacement therapy.
MLB: It's the floor vs the cap. When there are single players making more or as much as an entire team - fan want owners to invest in the product - not roll out the minimum number of players to get through a game. It's going to be a long drawn out lock out. Hopefully it won't cost Chicago the All Star game next July.
Kegsbreath is just pouring out more of his personal inadequacies & insanity on the service members.
LOL! Everyone seems to recognize it but himself.
I wonder how Marines are reacting to his implication that they are a lot of limp-d*cks?
I'm betting there are a lot who would love to pound the shit out of him & show him who's actually tougher!
No, not everyone is excited about not changing the clocks. Look at the poll results: 42% of readers want to keep things the way they are, more than double the support for the next most popular option.
I'm curious, how many people pay attention to clocks anymore, or are required to change them? Everything connected to the various networks that control our devices have auto-change already. We hardly notice the change now, except for the brief change in outdoor lighting. I predict that within a couple of years, probably less, most will forget when this change was needed or expected.
I assume that the people who complain about the time changing are not complaining about having to physically change the clocks (at least I hope not; if they are, jeeze, talk about first world problems), but that they consider it a nuisance to have to adjust to a one hour time shift two nights in a year.
DST is my reminder to change the batteries in our smoke/CO2 detectors. I mean, I could schedule a recurring calendar reminder. But I’m also super-lazy.
I don't change them until they start the every 30 second beeping.
No to permanent DST. I predict we will all HATE dark mornings in the winter, and having experienced standard time in the winter of 1974 (energy crisis), walking to the bus stop in the dark was very, very creepy. And I was a senior in high school! I bet parents wold be driving kids to bus stops and sitting in their idling cars waiting for the bus (safety reasons), which would counter any energy savings.
This is precisely why we must keep the status quo of the biannual clock change. The people who whine about this are obviously not thinking things through. “Keeping things just as they are” is, by far, the most popular option for P.S. readers, and they are smarter than most people.
In today’s world almost all parents who would drive if there is a shift to permanent DST ALREADY drive kids to school. Or wait with them at the bus stop. Those who don’t are unlikely to change based on permanent DST. I know many do t keep up woth social chsmges but this is a definite one since 1974. Indeed at my kids suburban school about 80 percent are already being driven.
It’s ironic (to me at least) that in a PS that talks about Trump being glad someone is dead features a tweet about God saying essentially the same thing. Trump should just keep such opinions to himself.
That won't happen until he's really most sincerely dead!